Draft CCIRN Meeting Minutes                     7/25/98
                                                Geneva, Switzerland

I. Meeting Attendees

Asia-Pacific delegation:
Kilnam Chon(Co-Chair)           KAIST           KR      chon@cosmos.kaist.ac.kr
Tan Tin Wee (Info. Coord.)      APNG            SG      tinwee@irdu.uus.edu.sg
Shoichiro Asano                 NACSIS  	JP      atobe@rd.nacsis.ac.jp
Shigeki Goto            Waseda Un./APAN 	JP      goto@goto.info.waseda.ac.jp
Xing Li                 	CERNET          CN      xing@cernet.edu.cn
Hualin Qian                     CNIC/CAS        CN 	hlqian@cnnic.net.cn
Yaap Yougsiew           	APNG            SG      yougsiew@apng.org

European delegation:
Kees Neggers (Co-Chair)         SURFnet 	NL      neggers@surfnet.nl
Karel Vietsch (Info. Coord.)    TERENA  	Eur.    vietsch@terena.nl
John Dyer                       UKERNA  	UK      john.dyer@ukerna.ac.uk
Jan Gruntor=E1d                 CESNET  	CZ      jg@cesnet.cz
J=FCrgen Harms                  Un. of Geneva 	CH 	Juergen.Harms@cui.unige.ch
Olivier Martin                  CERN            CH      olivier.martin@cern.ch
Stefano Trumpy                  CNR/IAT IT      	stefano.trumpy@iat.cnr.it
Peter Villemoes                 NORDUnet        Nordic 	peter.villemoes@nordu.net

North-American delegation:
George Strawn (Co-Chair)        NSF             US      gstrawn@nsf.gov
Grant Miller (Info.Coord.)      NCO             US      miller@ccic.gov
Ted Hanss                       Internet2       US 	ted@internet2.edu
Doug Van Houweling              UCAID           US      dvh@internet2.edu

Latin America and the Caribbean delegation:
=46lorencio Utreras (Co-Chair)  REUNA           CL      futeras@reuna.cl
Saul Hahn                       OAS             US      shahn@oas.org
Jose Luiz Riberio-Filho         RNP             BR 	j.ribeirofilho@nc-rj.rnp.br
Nelson Simoes                   RNP             BR      nelson@cr-df.rnp.br
Tarek Kemal                     IDSC/RITSEC     EG 	tkamel@idsc.gov.eg
Khaled Sellani                  ITES            TN      ites@ites.rnrt.tn

Enzo Valente                    INFN/GARR       IT      enzo.valente@infn.it

Meeting Co-Chairs: Kilnam Chon (Asia-Pacific), Kees Neggers (Europe),
George Strawn (North America), and Florencio Utreras (Latin America and the

II. Proceedings

1. Opening
        The meeting was chaired by the Asia-Pacific Co-Chair, Prof. Kilnam
Chon, who welcomed the representatives.  The CCIRN participants provided
thanks to Professor Goto and the APAN JP for sponsoring this meeting.

2. Minutes Review
The minutes of the previous CCIRN meeting were approved.

3. Continent Reports

3.1 Asia-Pacific

Professor Kilnam Chon presented the Asia Pacific.  In the Asia-Pacific
region several initiatives are ongoing, including:
- the Asia-Pacific Advanced network (APAN),
- the Asia Internet Infrastructure Initiative (AI3) that is a satellite
based initiative involving 4-5 Asian-Pacific countries,
- Asia-Pacific Networking Group (APNG).  Information on APNG may be found
at www.apng.org

Many Asian-Pacific countries have extensive network programs including
Australia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Maylasia, Singapore, and Taiwan.
Several of the Asian networks land in North America at the Science,
Technology, and Research- Transit Access Point (STAR-TAP).  Some currently
land on the West coast but several of these plan to migrate to the
STAR-TAP.  The Asian countries are collaborating on US landing points and
on how to connect to Europe.  A path through the US and the STAR-TAP may be
the most efficient route for the Asian countries to reach Europe since
broadband Trans Siberian cables are not available currently.  Improved
multi-language support for networking is needed by the Asian-Pacific

Intra-Asia networking is extensive, generally at 2 Mbps or lower
bandwidths. Connectivity to some Asian and European countries such as Iran,
Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan, is currently limited.

Asian connectivity to STAR-TAP is increasing rapidly.  Singapore was
connected last year; SINET connected last October; APAN is expected to
connect this summer, and Taiwan, Korea, and Hong Kong are expected to
connect in 1998-1999.  The STAR-TAP connections are typically 45 Mbps.
APAN has established exchange points in Singapore, Hong Kong and Tokyo,
which provide connectivity among many of the Asia-Pacific nations.

3.2 Europe

Kees Neggers and Peter Villemoes (for QUANTUM/TEN-155) presented the
European report.  European networks have been relatively stable recently.
Ten-34 is proceeding with an upgrade to Ten-155.  The QUANTUM project,
funded by the EU ACTS, ICT, and Telematics Programs is providing theTen-155
backbone.   Ten-155 will provide PoPs in each country.  It will be based on
155 Mbps SONET rings and partial rings and will provide best-effort IP
service.  In addition to the QUANTUM project, Virtual Circuit (VC)/Virtual
Private Network (VPN) service with 155 Mbps connectivity to the US will be
provided.  DANTE, as the coordinating partner in the QUANTUM projecrt
issued a call for tender in December, 1997.  US connectivity is expected in
January 1999.  The total annual cost is roughly equal to the cost of TEN-34
due to the European telecoms liberalization.  It is still significantly
more expensive than comparable US service.  Israel, Greece and Cyprus are
planning to connect to TEN-155 under a separate initiative.  QUANTUM is
funded 28% by the EC, the rest being provided by the participating

Links from Europe to North America include:
- NORDUnet: 155 Mbps to New York City
- DANTE: 45 Mbps, to be upgraded under the QUANTUM project
- DFN: 2 x 45 Mbps links will be upgraded to 155 Mbps or higher

Europe does not currently have any direct fiber links to Asia.  However,
DANTE has performed a study about a possible direct link to Asia-Pacific.

3.3 Latin America and the Caribbean

Latin America and the Caribbean have extensive networks, primarily within
each country.

- Argentina  has a network with four national hubs in Buenos Aires, Bahia
Blanca, Mendoza , and Rosario.  It connects 33 national universities.
- Chile has a backbone, North-South network at OC3 speeds, providing
university access at 155 Mbps.  Access to remote areas is by satellite.
Application areas include caching, distance education and telemedicine
- Brazil service is provided by RMP which has 5, 2Mbps links to the US for
research purposes and links to Argentina, Chile and Venezuela.  There are
many Brazilian  links to the US.  STAR-TAP and vBNS connectivity are
planned in the future.  Brazil maintains a research program in Web caching.
- In Mexico the Monterey university campus has OC3 networking.  Mexican
networking is developing as IP over ATM service.  The Un. of Mexico is
negotiating for connectivity to the STAR-TAP

The InterSur project in South America will provide an all fiber
connectivity at 2-34 Mbps  of S&T networks in the Mercosur countries.   The
Pan American Satellite (PAS-1) will provide satellite connectivity among
Ecuador, Honduras, Peru, Paraguay, and Columbia.  Bandwidth will be
continually upgraded as needed.  It currently provides 2 x E1 connectivity
to the US in the Washington, DC area.  In Central America a microwave link
of 155 Mbps supports the research community.  It would greatly benefit from
a link between Guatemala and Mexico, which is expected soon.

3.4 North America

George Strawn described North American networking.  Canada (CANARIE)
maintains an extensive program of research in IP over Wave Division
Multiplexing (WDM).  The US agencies are closely tracking this program.

The Federal Networking Council (FNC) in the US was disbanded.  The Federal
agencies  now coordinate their advanced networking programs under the Large
Scale Networking (LSN) Working Group, which has responsibility for the Next
Generation Internet (NGI) programs in the US.  The US Department of Energy
participates in the LSN but it does not currently  participate in the NGI
program.  The NGI agencies maintain agency programs, which contribute to
the goals of the NGI initiative.  The crosscut budget of the agency NGI
programs in FY 1998 was approximately $100Million.  In FY 1999 it is
expected to be slightly higher.  There are three implementing teams under
the LSN.  The Networking Research Team provides for growth engineering  in
the areas of quality of service, Internet security, and multicasting to
provide scalability of the Internet for the future.  The Joint Engineering
Team (JET) oversees the implementation of two testbeds, one at 100 X
current Internet  performance, one at 1000 X current Internet performance.
The High Performance Networking Applications Team (HPNAT) coordinates
research on high performance applications that require the capabilities of
the 100 X and 1000 X networks.  The HPNAT supports demonstrations twice a
year in the Washington DC area and at the annual SuperComputing conference.

STAR-TAP is an initiative to provide international connectivity and
transit.  The NSF issued an high performance international solicitation.
Russia was the first awarded country.  It has 10 Mbps connectivity to the
Russian National Academy of Sciences in Moscow and Moscow State University,
and to St Petersburg.  Professor Mc Robbie of the University of Illinois is
cooperating with APAN for future connectivity of APAN to the STAR-TAP.

MCI provides the network fabric for the NSF very high-performance Backbone
Network Service (vBNS) which originally provided connectivity among US
supercomputer centers.  Under the high performance connections program, the
NSF has expanded use of the vBNS to include a wide spectrum of
approximately 150 US universities.

Related US programs include ASCI, the Advanced Strategic Computing
Initiative, which plans to manage the US nuclear stockpile by using
simulation rather than detonation tests.  The Strategic Science Program
(SSP) is a cooperative effort of universities and agency laboratories ,
that has a program to simulate high performance networking.

The NSF vBNS cooperative agreement ends on March 31, 2000.  The NSF is
starting to plan for the transition of vBNS services and activities after
the year 2000.

3.5 Africa

Mr. Tarek Kemal from Egypt  described African networking.  Forty five
African capitals have full Internet access and 12 African countries have
mature and active Internet markets..  There are between 700,000 and 1
million African users.  The average cost of an Internet connection is
$100/month, which includes the telephone charges..  Thirty African
countries have over 64 Kbps outgoing service, 11 have over 256 Kbps
service.  Most of the circuits going outside a country are satellite

Needs for the African region include:
- universal access coverage in an inconsistent telecommunications environment
- regional cooperation
- affordable prices
- content buildup, especially infostructure
- a Mediterranean router to keep local traffic local

The Leyland initiative provides support for African cooperative programs.
Most of the Internet links are Intelsat  links, which require concurrence
of the Intelsat signatories.

4. GIBN (Global Interoperability for Broadband Networks) Meeting (May 1998)

Stefano Trumpy (GIBN representative for Italy) reported on a meeting of the
GIBN Steering Committee that took place in Whistler, CA in May.  He
distributed the document " GIBN forum - An Organizational Plan" prepared by
a GIBN working he chaired.  The document contained a proposal that after
the end of the current GIBN project it would be succeeded by a permanent
consultation body between government representatives (not only the G8
countries, but world-wide) on research networking policy and funding.

As a first step, GIBN would organize two workshops, one on 3-4 December in
Vienna (hosted by the European Commission) and one in April 1999, in a
location and date to be announced. One day of the event in Vienna would be
a workshop to discuss the plan for a GIBN Forum, while the second day would
be a meeting of the GIBN Steering Committee, which would then decide about
the GIBN Forum proposal. GIBN would invite CCIRN representatives to the
first day of this event.

The CCIRN meeting developed a resolution stating:
Resolved: that GIBN and CCIRN should strive to pursue complimentary goals
to support the advancement of global research networks.  For example, CCIRN
might continue to involve research network operators and continue to be
concerned with global research network engineering issues.  And GIBN might
continue to involve government-appointed representatives and focus on the
applications of networks that will justify expanded governmental support of
their development.

5. UCAID/Internet2/Abilene

Doug Van Houweling, President and CEO of UCAID, described UCAID and its
relationship to Internet2 and the=20Abilene Project.  UCAID is interested in
developing international bilateral MOUs to promote work toward advancing
networking technology.  This could entail developing advanced technologies
or implementing local solutions for networking using conventional
technology.   He urged continuation of the UCAID international coordination
meetings with CCIRN to provide international coordination.

The next  UCAID meeting is September 26-29 at the Embarcadero Hyatt Hotel
in San Francisco UCAID intended to have an international meeting attached
to that members meeting.  The CCIRN meeting decided to turn this
international meeting in San Francisco into a joint CCIRN-UCAID meeting,
which would take place on 26-27 September (Saturday and Sunday).  The CCIRN
Co-Chairmen and CCIRN Information Coordinators will jointly organize this

Internet 2 currently has over 70 Internet members that are among the 92 NSF
high performance connectivity grantees.   A university Internet2
representative has responsibility for informing UCAID what are the
university Internet2 applications.

The vBNS provides high performance network service between the university
GigaPoPs.  Other providers, such as Abilene, are offering to provide
alternative high performance network service between the university
GigaPoPs.  Abilene is a consortium of Cisco, Nortel and Qwest to provide
OC48, IP over sonet backbone service, with OC3 or OC12 service to
universities.  It is expected to be in full service by January 1, 1999.
=46ifty two members of Internet2 have signed up to use the Abilene service.

Abilene has no international service.  When Abilene, the vBNS, and other
networking services peer, international connectivity may be provided
through STAR-TAP or other network connectivity points.

further information on UCAID, Internet2 and Abilene refer to:
- www.ucaid.edu,
- www.internet2.edu,
- www.apps.internet2.edu/talks
- www.ucaid.edu/abilene

6. New CCIRN Working Groups

Kees Neggers introduced the consideration of a Quality of Service Working
Group. QoS is an umbrella concept and intangible, and hence a general CCIRN
Working Group on QoS might not be advisable.  However, there is a concrete
problem needs to be addressed (policy-based bandwidth allocation on
transcontinental links that are bottlenecks between high-capacity national
or continental networks).  Hence there is a need for a CCIRN Working Group
that could work to solve these issues.

Internet2 has a QoS working group that meets at every IETF meeting. The
UCAID delegates invited representatives from other continents to the
meeting of that working group in Chicago in August 1998.  The CCIRN decided
that that meeting should define the Terms of Reference for a new CCIRN
Working Group, which will work on the problem mentioned above. Ted Hanss
would organise this meeting.

7. Global Exchange

There are currently about 6 connections to the STAR-TAP; by the end of 1998
approximately 12 connections are expected.  There is an Advisory Committee
for the STAR-TAP chaired by Tom DeFanti and consisting of representatives
of the networks connected to the STAR-TAP..

Rather than to set up a CCIRN Working Group on Global Exchange, it was
decided to continue working in the STAR-TAP Advisory Council.  The CCIRN
could receive reports from that Council (e.g. through Peter Villemoes or
Shigeki Goto).

CCIRN decided to establish a STAR-TAP advisory committee to provide
guidance on European connectivity issues and connectivity to the STAR-TAP.
Any interconnection matters that cannot be dealt with by this advisory
committee can be discussed in CCIRN meetings.  The advisory committee
members include:

Tomonori Aoyama,        Un of Tokyo/AMInet
Natasha Bulashova,      Russia/MirNet
Greg Cole,              Un of Tennessee/MirNet
Tom DeFanti
Danny Dolev,            Israel
Shigeki Goto,           APAN,                   CCIRN Liaison
Larry Landweber
Michael McRobbie,       TransPac
Christian Michau,       CNRS/Renater
Larry Smarr,            NCSA
Bill St. Arnaud,        CANARIE
Peter Villemoes,        NORDUnet,                       CCIRN Liaison
Tan Tin Wee,            APAN/SingREN

8. Working Group Reports

8.1 Measurement Working Group

The Measurement Working Group held two meetings in the last year, December
in Washington, DC, and July 21, in Geneva.  General consensus was achieved
on several issues:
- Global collaboration for network measurement is needed
- Basic parameters need to be identified in detail, such as
- Where-to-where
- What protocol: port number
- Delay/latency (one-way), utilizing time-stamping
- Packet loss (one-way)
Route flapping is a problem that particularly requires measurement
information to resolve.

Tools are required for standardized measurements.  Tools identified included
- OC3mon
- Surveyor
- Waikato (NZ)
- Purgatorio (DANTE)

Elements of an action plan were developed including a need to continue
discussions, software licensing needs to be addressed if standard tools are
to be used by a wide diversity of organizations, and the need for privacy
and security of data taken from a network to protect sensitive data.

The next Measurement Working Group meeting will be held in Chicago, in
conjunction with the IETF meeting.  Shigeki Goto will chair this session.
Nominees are sought for a permanent chairman and a permanent secretary

8.2 Mbone/Multicast Working Group.

The Mbone/Multicast working group held three meetings, the last in
December, 1997.  They agreed on an interest in implementing an Mbone
network and a BGP4+ multicast group.  They do not currently have a chair to
pursue implementation.  They will defer action to next summer when a chair
will be sought.  Kilnam Chon will revive the Mbone Working Group then.
Kevin Thompson is the NSF Point of Contact. TERENA will nominate a European
Point of Contact from RIPE circles.

8.3 Cache Working Group

The envisaged activities of the CCIRN Working Group on Caching have been
addressed by a series of International WWW Caching Workshops, the latest of
which took place in Manchester, England in June 1998.

Olivier Martin discussed this workshop.  Major providers and European
agencies attended the meeting. They considered topics including Web proxy
solutions, and 600 Mbps networks with Terabyte disc farms.  The workshop is
by invitation for technical interaction of active researchers. The next
workshop is in 1999 in the US.

There was some concern, especially among the delegations from Asia-Pacific
and Latin America, that these workshops were developing into conferences,
with the risk that no real Working Group type work was being done.  It was
reported however that the intention was to have smaller working group
meetings adjacent to these workshops that could perform the required work.

Among the points of contact for these matters are Nabeshima (JP), Melve
(NO) and Martin (TERENA).

9. Digital Library Coordination

APAN has a Digital Library group with programs for:
- Developing a directory
- Copyright issues
- R&D on good user interfaces
- Multi-language support, including translation for the APAN region

World-wide there are many interesting developments in this area, but it was
agreed that this area has its own (international) organisations and hence
the CCIRN should not initiate its own activities in this area..

Kees Neggers was asked to convey to ISOC that it would be a good idea to
have a Digital Libraries track at INET99.

10. Working Group Management

It was realised that not all CCIRN Working Groups are performing well. This
is due to a lack of focus and lack of continuity. Therefore it was decided
that each CCIRN Working Group should have written Terms of Reference and a
permanent chairman and secretary. If possible, there could in addition be
contact persons per continent.

The meetings in Chicago in August should draft the Terms of reference for
the QoS and measurements Working Groups, and elect chairmen and
secretaries. This should then be reported to the CCIRN/UCAID meeting in San

The Working Groups on Caching and Mbone should draft their Terms of
Reference and elect chairmen and secretaries at their next meetings, which
would probably be in 1999.

11. Virtual Network Development

The Agency networks are, in many cases, building virtual networks on top of
the physical network fabric.  These virtual networks support the interests
of communities of interest, such as astronomers.  The CCIRN is involved
with issues of providing the service, quality of service, security and
other requirements of the community of interest.  It is useful to approach
the communities of interest through their discipline society meetings.

12. Internet Society

Coordination is generally provided through holding back-to-back meetings
with INET.  This coordination has been very effective.

13. CCIRN Secretariat

Note taking in the past has been provided by the North American Information

The chairmanship of the CCIRN rotates among the continental co-chairs.
Meeting support has been the responsibility of the Information Coordinator
of the continent whose co-chair holds the CCIRN chairmanship at that point
in time.
There are five CCIRN Working Groups (Measurement, Mbone, Caching, Security,
(QoS) each of which needs Terms of Reference, a permanent chair and a
permanent secretary.

14. Future Meeting Schedule

The QoS Working Group will meet on Thursday, August 26 in conjunction with
the Chicago IETF meeting.  Ted Hanss of UCAID will make arrangements.

There will be a September 26-27, CCIRN joint meeting with I2 in San
=46rancisco at the Hyatt Hotel, Embarcadero.  I2 will issue invitations to
international participants for meetings co-sponsored by I2 and CCIRN.

The CCIRN Annual Meeting will be held June 26, 1999 directly after INET in
San Jose, California, chaired by George Strawn.

III Summary of Action items

1. GIBN will invite CCIRN representatives to the CCIRN workshop in Vienna
on 3 December 1998.

2. The CCIRN Chairmen and Information Co-ordinators will jointly organise a
joint CCIRN-UCAID meeting in San Francisco on 26-27 September 1998.

3. Ted Hanss will organise a meeting of the future CCIRN Working Group on
QoS (as a meeting of the Internet2 Working Group on QoS to which
representatives from other continents will be invited) in Chicago on 26
August 1998.

4. Shigeki Goto will chair the next meeting of the CCIRN Working Group on
Measurements in Chicago on 22 August 1998.

5. Kilnam Chon will revive the CCIRN Working Group on Mbone in the summer
of 1999.

6. Kees Neggers will suggest to ISOC to have a track on Digital Libraries
at INET'99.

7. Each CCIRN Working Group will draft in its next meeting its Terms of
Reference, and elect a permanent chairman and secretary.

8.  George Strawn and Grant Miller will organise the next annual CCIRN
meeting in San Jose CA on 26 June 1999.